Beef Stock, Anyone?

by Kim

I’ve told you before, I’m a bit nuts about making broth. I wasn’t always that way but just kind of evolved, as I shared in my chicken stock post. I am just as nuts about beef stock as I am about chicken, except maybe a bit more even since it took me longer to be successful making the beef broth. When I was dating my husband, he had me over to his house and made us a wonderful T-bone steak dinner. To his surprise, I objected to him throwing away those meaty T-bones when we were done with them. He found it quite odd, actually (this would be the first time of many), I don’t think anyone else he’d dated had ever cared about the beef bones. This is the man that still believes that Beef = Love!

A few posts ago I made chicken stock, and this week I made beef stock. Beef stock is not hard to make either, but has an extra step in it and can take longer to make. It is not actively time consuming though, although it could be sitting on your stove for a few days. However you can make it in a large crock pot / slow cooker to make the process even easier.

Homemade vs Store Bought? No Contest!

I would say that it’s very worth making your own beef stock. There is such a huge difference between the beef stock that you can buy, and the stock that you make, it’s not even funny. And when you cook it for a few days, some of the bones end up soft and all of those minerals go into the broth. It can be intensely satisfying to drink just a cup of broth, especially if your body is low on minerals. Times when I’ve felt run down especially in the winter I’ve made beef stock instead of taking vitamins. I’ve found that my body seems to respond to ‘food vitamins’ better, which I guess makes sense since that’s how we were made to take in our vitamins. Beef broth is a great way to manage afternoon hunger between lunch and dinner and a great alternative to coffee if you’re trying to kick the caffeine habit.

People that don’t typically eat a lot of beef will potentially do really well with a bit of meat in beef stock, or just beef broth alone. All of the minerals and gelatin in the stock help the body digest meat more efficiently. It’s a great thing for those that are vegetarians that are trying to start back on an omnivore’s diet.

General Tips for Making Beef Broth

The first time I made beef stock, it wasn’t very good and didn’t become brown enough, but was an insipid beige color. The second time I made it, it didn’t gell, but it tasted good. It’s amazing that I tried again, but I guess it made success all the more sweet. Here are some tips to increase your success.

  • Try to use several types of bones. These can be bought from your butcher pretty cheaply. Grass-fed beef is better, but don’t stress too much about it, better to get the basics down first.
  • always brown your meaty bones really well on both sides before putting them into the pot. This step is the most important.
  • throw any leftover meat in the pot, or save to cut up and put in soup. If you cook it into the stock, you won’t be able to eat it in the soup, because all of the flavor will be simmered out of it. I guess some recipes it could work ok using the meat, say in something highly spiced like enchiladas.
  • Save bits of meat in a bag in the freezer to add to the stockpot. Label your bag though so you know what it is for!
  • My husband hates this one, but don’t give your dogs your beef bones until you’re done making broth out of them. Only give the dogs the bones that are still hard when they come out of the broth, none of the really soft ones.
  • Do NOT skip the vinegar step, it draws the minerals out of the bones
  • Freeze your carrot, garlic, onion and celery trimmings in a bag, and add to the pot
  • Let the pot sit for longer than you think is possible, it will be fine over 2 or even 3 days. Turn the stove off at night if you want and then turn it back on in the morning. If you don’t lift the lid, it will still be at a good temperature in the morning unless your house gets really cold at night (under 60 degrees).
  • If you don’t like the flavor of your broth, don’t worry, just simmer it longer, maybe leaving the lid off if it’s too pale. Once it reduces, you can see what the flavor is really like and then add some celtic sea salt to bring out the flavors.

Tips for Making Beef Stock in a Crock Pot / Slow Cooker

  • Crock Pot / Slow Cooker broth is often a great way to make beef broth since it takes so long to cook. Use the biggest crock pot you have… I have a 8 1/2 quart crock pot and use about 3 pounds of bones.
  • Don’t overfill crock pot with water since it won’t evaporate as quickly as with a stockpot. Make sure the lid is weighted down and that simmering can’t move the lid around or you will have water everywhere.
  • Put the crock pot on high until it gets going then low is fine. You could even have multiple crock pots going with broth.
  • Make sure to put a variety of beef bones in each crock pot (roasted meaty and non meaty). When I make beef broth in the crock pot sometimes I only put in bones, and no other ingredients (carrot, onion).
  • Optional: After 2-3 days drain off the stock (strain it), throw in a few more roasted bones (for color) and water, and reuse your ‘hard’ bones.

Grass-Fed Beef Stock

Rating: 4 forks (key)

Even my husband who dislikes soups and stews eats this broth in things and likes it, especially gravy

Difficulty:

Moderate – takes practice and patience

Page in NT: 122

Equipment:

Ingredients:

  • 4 pounds of beef marrow, knuckle bones, bits of leftover beef
  • 3 pounds meaty rib or neck bones
  • 4 or more quarts cold water
  • 1/4 cup vinegar (See Resources)
  • 3 onions, coarsely chopped (or your bag of collected frozen onion parts)
  • 3 carrots coarsely chopped (I omit this sometimes)
  • 3 celery sticks, coarsely chopped (I omit this if I don’t have celery)
  • celtic sea salt – optional – only after broth is completed (See Resources)

Preparation:

  1. Place all of your bones that have meaty bits on them on a large cookie sheet (with sides) or roasting pan and brown in the oven at 350 degrees until well-browned (30-60 minutes usually).
  2. Meanwhile, throw all of your non-meaty marrow bones into a stockpot, add the water, vinegar and vegetables. Let sit while the other bones are browning.
  3. Add the browned bones to the pot, deglaze your roasting pan with hot water and get up all of the brown bits, pour this liquid into the pot. Add additional water if needed to cover the bones.
  4. Bring to a boil and remove the scum/foam that rises to the top. No need to remove the floating fat. Reduce heat, cover and simmer for at least 12 hours and as long as 72 hours. The longer you cook the stock, the more rich and flavorful it will be.
  5. After a 2-3 hours you will want to ‘rescue’ any of the meat you need for recipes or marrow that you’d like to eat. Using tongs find your marrow bones, pop out the marrow with a small knife and return the bone to the pot.
  6. After you simmer for 12-72 hours, Sally Fallon now says this in the recipe in Nourishing Traditions which I love because it’s so true:

You will now have a pot of rather repulsive-looking brown liquid containing globs of gelantinous and fatty material. It doesn’t even smell particularly good. But don’t despair. After straining you will have a delicious and nourishing clear broth that forms the basis for many other recipes in this book.

Remove the bones with a slotted spoon and/or tongs. Strain the stock into a large bowl, then ladle into wide mouth mason jars. Let the jars sit until they are pretty cool, then freeze or refrigerate. You can remove the congealed fat after refrigerating or even freezing, if you want to reduce it a step.

NOTE: Don’t forget to save the marrow from the bones too for a few recipes in the book!

Variation: this same technique can be used to prepare lamb or venison stock.

Photo courtesy of islandvittles on Flickr

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1 Kirsten Fairbanks December 26, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Hi Kim! I just wanted to write to say what a great idea this blog is. I just finished watching “Julie and Julia.” At first I was totally inspired but then my thoughts went immediately to, “But I could never Master the Art of French Cooking. I’d have to soak all my grains first!” I did a search that led me to something that somehow led me here. I’m excited to see how it goes for you.

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2 Peggy December 28, 2009 at 5:02 am

Mmmm! Marrow on toast! That’s my reward for straining stock.

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3 Brenda LaMont January 11, 2010 at 7:02 am

What about using a pressure cooker to make the stock? Sure was traditonal in my family. Not sure where grandms got it from but she sure used it a lot and so do i. i can make died beans that ususlly take 4+ hours by bringing it to pressure and turning it off to sit till it cools 2 times. its amazing. i can’t imagine leaving my stove on for “up uo 72 hours”. seems like such a waste of resources.
my soups taste like they cooked all day and sat for 2 just after they are made.

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4 Alyss January 27, 2010 at 6:44 pm

Kim- actually, please don’t feed cooked bones to your dogs ever. Cooked bones are not digestable and can splinter to cause lacerations in the intestines or crumble and cause impactions. Raw bones are great for dogs (though I caution against beef or turkey femur bones because they are so strong – my 4 year old dog has irrepairable tooth damage from beef femur bones), but cooked bones are not. Not even those yummy smelling smoked ones they sell at the dog food store. It’s just not worth the thousands of dollars in vet bills or pain and suffering of everyone involved.

Brenda – Sally Fallon has spoken against pressure cookers but those of us who have been wallowing around this subject for a while have come to the conclusion that for broth, it’s not the end of the world. SN of Everything Free Eating (google that, it’s a blogspot blog) does her chicken broth in a pressure cooker and has a pretty amazing tale of recovery for her family. I personally do a multi-day simmer method where I bring the broth to a boil, skim, simmer for as long as I’m around or awake, put a lid on it and turn of the heat, then do the same thing the next day or even two days running for beef broth. Works great, and fits into a busy work schedule.

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5 Cindy Dutcher February 1, 2010 at 1:51 pm

I make and use a lot of broth it is always in my freezer in both pint and quart jars. I also use the multi day cooking method, I am just not comfortable with leaving the stove on when I’m sleepiing. If I’ve failed to brown the bones enough, I will add a cup or two of red wime to the broth and reduce it, all the alcohol cooks off, if that is a concern and it can “save” a light broth. I always feed the bones to the dog,(beef pork, and chicken) but would not feed bones from store bought meats. After discussing this with our vet, it seems as though bones have only become a proble for dogs (the vet told me stories about chiceling pork bones out of dog intestines) and also told me that as a young man his family always fed all bones to the dogs without a problem. When I look at bones (especially chicken and pork bones) from the store, the bones are not as hard, I’ve even been able to stick a fork through chicken and pork bones. That can not be done with the animals we raise on the farm Maybe this is actually a farm management issue?? After all dogs have lived with humans for centuries, and only been fed commercial dog food for 50 years or so.

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6 Jennifer February 2, 2010 at 5:52 pm

So happy to receive a link to this blog today. I’ve been making stock for a few years now with the bones from our local free-range, grass fed beef, I am delighted and priviledged to say, using the NT method. What a difference in taste and quality! It is so good to hear others turn off their stove at night and restart the process in the morning. I’ve left it on overnight but didn’t sleep well at all.

I would third the notion of no cooked bones, my dog cracked a back tooth last summer that had to be removed, not good! My neighbor was giving her bones too so I can’t say were the bone came from to agree or disagree with store bought vs local grass fed beef bones.

I will most definitely second the marrow on toast comment. The savory reward of beef stock is the marrow on fresh baked sprouted grain whole wheat toast with a glass of medium bodied red wine! YUM!

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7 Kim February 3, 2010 at 9:59 pm

Jennifer… thanks so much for your comments and for following the blog! I agree with the stove comment… I do the same thing, turn it off at night so I will sleep better. I love the grass fed beef too. At first it did taste different to me, but now I’m used to it and the regular stuff just tastes weird, really heavy and the fat tastes very different.

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8 Vera March 5, 2010 at 8:51 am

Your post inspired me to go home and make chicken stock. So on my way home from work I went to the local Co-op and bought a organic, free range, antiboitic free chicken. It cost $19!!! I am now inspired now to raise my own chickens! LOL! Seriously! I put the stock on to cook while I made salmon caesar salad and a wonderful homemade caesar dressing using yogurt and whey for dinner. The stock continued to cook while we watched a movie. By then I was too tired to pick the meat and strain etc, so it is patiently waiting in the fridge for me to get home. On another subject… where in the world do you find lard, other than the hydrognated kind in the grocery store? They didn’t carry it at all. But I did talk to the butcher to see if I could buy some fat to make my own. We will see if he calls me back today. I guess I must get to know the local butchers. Baby steps, baby steps…

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9 Kim March 5, 2010 at 9:39 am

Vera… great job I’m so happy it inspired you!! Baby steps is right! I went into Whole Foods during the holidays and asked for lard, they looked at me like I had two heads or something. In stores I can only find the hydrogenated kind too. But I found a local pork grower that will be providing me with lard soon. Also, I am looking for a local chicken grower, I think we’ll all have better luck going this route (not to mention the chicken may be less expensive). I can get it from my co-op too but they are quite expensive.

But if I cannot find a less expensive source for chickens, I think i’m just going to ‘suck it up’ and pay the price. As Nina Planck said in the Nourished Kitchen article on CNN health the other day: “I don’t need any new sweaters, I want to feed my kids well!” Or feed myself well. :) I think it’s a mind shift, to pay for food what it really costs, and realize the worth of it, since we are putting it IN OUR BODIES and it FEEDS us. I’m having trouble getting my mind to accept this but I’m part of the way there, for sure…

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10 Lisanne April 28, 2012 at 12:24 am

A very late reply, but just found this website. Flying Pigs Farm [flyingpigsfarm.com] has the fine lard from the olden days. My granny used lard for her spectacular piecrusts. Not a crumb was ever left on the plate. Their meat products get rave reviews too.

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11 Youthful One March 14, 2010 at 11:45 pm

What are your thoughts on using a crockpot/slow cooker to make broth?

I’ve been using my crockpot to make chicken broth for a good year or more now. I don’t feel so weird about leaving it on all night. I will let it go for at least 24 hours. Often, I will strain the broth out and then add more water and cook again, until the broth looks too weak. It’s also an easy transition when I’ve cooked the bird in the crockpot to begin with. :)

I came to this post tonight because I’m cooking my first beef broth from “soup bones” (as labeled by the butcher). After 24 hours in the crockpot (some of which was on high), the bones weren’t soft, as you describe, but the broth was rich and wonderful – I made stew with it tonight. I loaned my NT cookbook out and came here to check to see if I was doing the beef version right, since the bones weren’t soft. Just for kicks, I put in new onions, celery and garlic (since I dumped those in my stew) with fresh water and vinegar and the bones just now to see if I can extract more.

Any thoughts?

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12 Kim March 18, 2010 at 7:03 am

In my experience, some beef bones don’t ever get ‘soft’. This is why a mix of the type of bones is good to use. The bones that just disappear into the broth (thereby imparting a lot of minerals and gelatin) are the longer, narrower femur(?) bones. The marrow bones stay pretty hard.

I think making broth in the crockpot is great! I love your technique, I’m going to have to try that too. I think anything that makes it easier on us, we should do. :)

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13 Youthful One March 14, 2010 at 11:47 pm

OOPS – sorry about the double post. My browser said it had ‘canceled opening the page’, so I hit submit again. Feel free to delete one and this one too. ;-)

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14 Sara September 9, 2010 at 11:16 pm

Hello,

I tried to make the beef bone broth and followed the directions. I left it simmering overnight adn awoke to a pot full of bones and no water! it had all completely evaporated. So, should I throw the bones away and try again? I used a medium -low heat and left the cover slightly tilted so air could escape. Can i re-fill with water and keep cooking these same bones? They only cooked for 12 hours. Help!

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15 Kim September 13, 2010 at 4:25 pm

so sorry that I didn’t see this until now! I hope you tried again with the same bones. When simmering overnight you’ll always want to keep the lid on the pot. Let us know how it turned out and sorry for the delay in reply…

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16 Eve October 1, 2010 at 12:32 am

Hi Kim – so I’ve been wracking my brain for months trying to figure this one out, maybe you can help?? Nourishing Traditions goes on & on & on about the benefits of this very fat that we’re now supposed to skim off and throw away. So why do we skim?? Flavor? Health?

I’ve tried this recipe twice and it’s come out great, but the fat skimming part is really bewildering! After all the work that goes into this, I’m afraid of straying from the recipe at all!

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17 Kim October 1, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Eve… good question! I got this excerpt from my fellow blogger Kristen from Food Renegade and her post on beef stock:

Let the broth cool further in a refrigerator or otherwise cold place. After it’s cooled completely, skim the fat off the top and save it for later. That fat is a tasty beef tallow, and you can use it in cooking later. If you don’t want to do this step and *want* an oily broth, then skip it. It won’t hurt anything, but it may make using the broth in some recipes difficult later.

This makes sense to me. You can skim it off and use it, or keep it in the broth, unless keeping it will hinder using it in recipes.

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18 Meghan April 25, 2011 at 6:16 pm

I thought about the fat thing, too, the first time I tried a NT chicken broth. I didn’t skim the fat very well, and had my very first greasy soup! It was not that enjoyable. I think enjoying your food is as important as the health it imparts!

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19 Kim May 2, 2011 at 10:12 am

Yeah I know how that goes… I still remember a roommate of mine (long time ago) serving me a soup with an inch of fat on top! yuck. I say refrigerate it and break off the yummy fat to fry potatoes. Little globlets of fat on broth is yummy however!

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20 Eve October 4, 2010 at 1:54 am

Wow, what a fantastic idea, thank you! I think I’ll even play with the idea of that using that skimmed tallow in place of some of my butter or lard-based recipes…

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21 Stephen October 10, 2010 at 12:03 am

I’m making bone broth for the first time and using a slow cooker. I have 2 long femur bones from the butcher. Covered them in water, added salt and pepper plus carrots, celery and spices, plus the apple cider vinegar.
I did not see any scum float to the top which makes me concerned. The broth is for my pregnant wife and I am a little concerned that I haven’t taken care of any impurities that may be present.
Also the broth is really really hot, cant even blow on it and taste it sort of hot, I imagine because of the fat content.
I hope it is flavorful when done. Can’t tell now. Can anyone offer feedback on the scum/impurities concern? Thanks!

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22 Kim October 14, 2010 at 11:52 am

Stephen… you may have used bones that didn’t have much in the way of impurities. It’s also a good idea to use meaty bones (roasted) in conjunction with the femur bones. Please feed your wife the marrow from the bones (and you too) it has many good nutrients… how did it turn out?

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23 Melinda November 14, 2010 at 2:40 pm

I’m so happy to find this blog! It has given me more courage to try the NT recipes. How exciting that there’s actually a community of people doing it! I’ve just made my first beef broth. But I’m not so sure about it. I simmered it almost a full 3 days. At first it smelled really good, but it kept getting stronger and stronger smelling, so I was glad the directions assured me it wouldn’t smell particularly good. It looks good, with a nice brown color, and it’s fairly thick, though not what I would call gelatinous. The thing is, I don’t think it tastes good. It has a sour, even slightly vinegary flavor, as if somehow all the vinegar didn’t cook out, or maybe it went bad. I’m a bit worried that maybe I simmered it too low or for too long and it went bad? Is that possible? What would account for a lack of gelatin when cooking so long? Is there a way to save the flavor? I added lots of sea salt, and that helped some, but that sour flavor still came through. Should I try to use it, or just throw it out?

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24 Kim November 17, 2010 at 11:46 am

Melinda… I’m sorry that I didn’t see your comment until now. I have had this happen too and I think it was because the temp of the broth wasn’t high enough for a time. It should be at a simmer. I was able to eat mine though in soups by adding the salt and by adding a bit more liquid, because I think part of the issue is that too much water also simmered out of the broth at the same time.

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25 Melinda November 17, 2010 at 11:07 pm

Thank you for the insight, Kim. I will try a small bit of it, maybe make a soup, and try adding more water, and getting some more flavors added with onion, garlic, etc. to see how it does. Hopefully it will be edible! Otherwise, I’ll be trying again next week with turkey broth.

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26 Flower December 3, 2010 at 5:58 am

Hi Kim
I’m trying beef broth for the first time, I don’t have an oven and I’m wondering if there is another method I can use to brown the bones before I put them in the crockpot?
F x

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27 Kim December 6, 2010 at 11:22 am

Hi… I think browning them in a skillet would be totally fine, just might take a little longer depending on how many bones you’re browning. :)

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28 Rebecca January 26, 2011 at 10:59 pm

I am new to NT and want to try beef stock for the first time but am running into a few issues. First of all, when people talk about their “butcher” do they mean the guy at the grocery store? Do these guys even cut the meat anymore? I tried asking at Safeway about buying bones, and was directed away from the meat counter to the frozen aisle (where I saw no such thing!). I ended up buying 2 lbs of “soup bones” at Whole Foods for $7 and stuck them in the freezer. How much stock does this recipe end up making, and how much do you spend on he ingredients? Thanks!

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29 Erica February 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm

Hi there! I know this is an old post, but I’m hoping I can get an answer to my question. Do you soak your bones before you roast them? I have some femur bones cut in half that I need to roast and make into broth, but I’ve read a few things saying that, in order to render marrow, I need to soak the bones in salt water for 12-24 hours first, to remove all the blood. I don’t see this step here, so I’m wondering if it’s something you did/have done.

Thanks!

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30 Deborah March 18, 2011 at 2:12 pm

Hi Kim. I’m wondering if you put the broth in the refrigerator overnight when you turn off the stove, or just leave it on the stovetop and turn it back on in the morning. Thanks!

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31 Heidi March 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm

can anyone tell me if i can freeze bone marrow fat (already roasted)? does it keep and how do i take it out to cook with it. any ideas would be most appreciated!

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32 Caroline August 1, 2011 at 5:48 am

Any hints/clues as to why the broth might not gel? I made this for the first time this weekend (simmered for just over 24hrs) and it didn’t gel up. It did make about 6qts total. Thanks for the tips!

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33 Joe September 4, 2011 at 10:59 am

Hello,
I tried this recipe, simmered everything for several days. but it really tastes bland. I guess I can try to reduce it, but it seems like a lot of work already for bland broth.

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34 Keith October 4, 2011 at 8:59 am

I have been making bone broth using the recepie from NT for quite a few years. I do have a local group that teaches the Westin A Price philosophy and one of the educators is a very dear family friend. when I make bone broth I make about 8 gallons of liquid containg the bones and veggies. 3 days later I place it in the garage fridge and let it cool overnight and then I remove the fat, rehat the liquid fraction after I have removed the bones, veggies and associated meat. I find the meat to be very bland, yet it works well in items like tamales, where you have to season the meat prior to preping the item. The liquid after it has been reheated I place in sterlized glass jars ( qt’s and pt’s) then can it according to the guide in a canning book we have.
This is the very best broth to cook with, make soups from and if someone in the family is feeling ill an awesome food that digests easily. I say folow NT and you will really enjoy making this broth…I do chicken and turkey broth as well. Remember please find quality local hormone free meat products…………..you do deserve the best.

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35 Kim October 4, 2011 at 11:36 am

great advice to our readers Keith thank you!

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36 Lisa Wilcox October 5, 2011 at 11:21 am

Another easy way to obtain bones, is to buy in bulk (like a quarter beef) from a farmer. When the beef is processed by the butcher shop you are able to make a request to save the soup bones for you order. Not everyone asks for this! The bones I got yesterday are like GOLD to me, and I am using this recipe right now to make some bone broth. Thank you for a great website.

Last year I divided half of my roasted bones into the crock pot and the 1/2 simmered on the stove top(because they all didn’t fit into my pot). Cooking the same amount of time (more than 24 hours) the crock pot broth was darker in color. I used the low setting. I love the suggestion to put in mason jars and freezing.

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37 Joan November 8, 2011 at 10:15 am

I’m trying to make this broth for the first time and I’m using crock pots. My old trusted one and a new one I just bought. Both of the crock pots keep boiling the bones. I started them on high and then turned both down to low but for over a day now they keep boiling. Is it ok to boil bones for 3 days. When I make chili in my old crock pot it doesn’t boil like this. I cannot figure out why they won’t simmer. Does anyone else have this problem?

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38 Kim November 14, 2011 at 8:12 pm

I’ve had this issue with one of mine, I think it’s just because stock is a thin liquid and chili is thicker so it works differently in the crock. The next one I get will have a ‘very low’ setting or something like that!

I don’t personally think it’s a problem to boil stock, especially beef. With the more delicate fish stocks maybe not, but beef can take it. You can always filter out any sediment that is produced by the boiling with a fine strainer or even cheesecloth.

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39 Suzanne November 15, 2011 at 7:35 am

I have a friend that is going to bless our family with many pounds of grass fed beef shank & knuckle bones. I’ve read all of the reviews above but only saw canning the broth a couple of times. We dont have enough freezer space to freeze our broth and just wanted to see how you felt about pressure canning the broth in pint and quart canning jars.
Thanks so much!
Suzanne

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40 Kim November 15, 2011 at 11:48 am

Suzanne… good question. I have not canned broth myself, so please follow instructions in the Ball canning guide for instructions since this would be a low acid food and requires special handling. You will lose some of the nutrients when canning and of course freezing is best, but if it’s a matter of using what you have or letting it go to waste then I say go for it. Canned homemade broth is a definite large step up from anything you could get at the store, especially since you’re canning in glass. Please report back and let us know how this goes and if you have tips! I would love to add something to this post about this subject.

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41 trisha December 4, 2011 at 9:38 am

I am wondering if you can do this with ham juices left over from baked ham. I tried to make a soup letting it simmer for 3 days and have the vinegar smell and taste. Don’t know if it is good or not. Am thinking it has gone bad. Any thought on that? Great website.

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42 Leslie December 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm

I just preheated the oven to make this broth! Looking forward to the good things I can make with it! I have been making only chicken broth for months because my only attempt at beef broth-making produced weak, unappetizing broth. I didn’t know to simmer it for so long! I asked for NT for Christmas! Hope I get it!

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43 Brent December 8, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Hi Kim,

I love your method of saving scraps in the freezer for stock/broth. I’m looking forward to a bag full of left-overs. Aside from bones, what parts of veggies do you save? You said “carrot, garlic, onion and celery trimmings” — what part of an onion are the trimmings? Just the very ends? Surely not the outside layer…? Same for garlic – the flakey skin?

Thanks for the wonderful site!
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44 Chris February 11, 2012 at 1:23 am

Hi Kim,

I wonder why people roast the bones in the oven before they make their broth?
I’ve seen others do this as well but never understood why.

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45 Derek February 14, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Dry roasting the bones caramelizes the meat that is on them and adds flavor (it also melts away some of the fat). If your recipe calls for a a dark stock then this method is used. Roasting shrimp shells and then making a stock out of them is also wonderful (It take quite a few of them though).

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46 Joan Carol February 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm

I’m wondering Kim if you’ve ever heard of making goat broth. I was online and found a local organic farm that sells beef, chicken, etc. for huge prices, but then they have meaty goat bones for only $2 something per pound that they sell for making broth. I’ve never tasted goat milk or cheese, let alone meat, so am not sure how this would taste.

Also noticed Melinda’s post about broth tasting sour. My meat stocks often came out sour until I read in a cookbook to cool the broth off quickly. I started doing this and it completely took care of the problem. It’s an extra step and kind of a pain, but worth it – when the broth is finished, I let the stock pot cool off just enough so it’s a little less threatening to handle, and then fill the sink with cold water and ice cubes and put the pot in the water (depending on size of pot and level of water you have to be careful, because a pot can float and tip and then you’ve got a pot full of cold water). The temp will come down faster if you stir the broth so it all comes into contact with the cold walls of the pot, and also stir the sink water a little so that the water around the pot doesn’t warm up. I try to have extra ice cubes on hand for this and keep adding them to keep the water cold. The bigger the pot you use the better, since more of the broth comes into contact with the cold-conducting metal. Of course, the easiest thing to do would be to put the pot out in a snowdrift on a real cold day till it chills – we haven’t had enough snow here this winter to try this, but next year——.

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47 Dallas Schmitt February 19, 2012 at 2:36 am

Thank you for your post. Will read on…

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48 Choymae Huie April 26, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Adding vinegar is good to break down the bones, but only if you use a ceramic pot because vinegar will also break down the metals in a regular metal pot and cause heavy metal to enter you body. Even stainless steel is mixed with nickle, a highly poisonous metal.

I am Chinese and my mother made soup from scratch at least two, three times a week. Though she was only 4’10″ with a slight carriage, she never had arthritis or osteoporosis and she never put vinegar in the pot. The Chinese have a tradition of balancing the body with herbs boiled in ceramic pots and herbal soups steamed for many hours with meat and bones in a ceramic container inside a regular metal pot. The reason is because metal is reactive and adding vinegar would make it even more reactive.

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49 Choymae Huie April 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm

OMG. I just did a search on ceramics and discovered that lead can leach out of ceramic pots, so I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe no vinegar at all. I do like vinegar on my food, but maybe not boiled down for hours in a reactive container.

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50 Claudia April 26, 2012 at 6:10 pm

I am making broth right now and I forgot to roast the bones. Doh, I hope it comes out well I will leave it over night to simmer.

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51 Kate May 7, 2012 at 6:57 am

I forgot to do vinegar and roasting of bones. There is much debris left on the bones and I scraped it off into a bowl. It is a combination of grissly fat and hard sinewy pieces and slimy liver-like “scum” close to the bone. I don’t know what’s what. I took out the hardest pieces and blended the rest but not sure what to do with it. Should I put it back in the broth? Probably nutritious?

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